Tuesday, September 20, 2005

BinderBuddies® Packaging-please give us feedback

This is what the packaging for BinderBuddies® looks like when it is sold separately. Please give us your feedback!

34 Comments:

At 6:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i really like the DocOA kits we got this year. we had them last year and they came with a 3 ring binder that just kept breaking. i took the pockets out and put them into some steel book rings which were really light weight and cost my mom about $1.00 for the rings. i showed that to our principal and this year they just bought the pockets for the school and divided them up for us. the pockets for all 5 subjects cost us only 12.95 from the school which was alot less than the binder and all the other stuff they get at my friends school way less. i love the way the product comes in a simple package with no colored advertising or anything -that stuff always makes a product cost more. the boxes of pockets let us pick the ones we need and the replacements and extras are in the book store.its a great system. i never loose any papers anymore and i can put stuff away and find it in less than 3 seconds.

 
At 7:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeh-we got the system too. it was way easy to assemble. it came with instructions with three easy steps. it was kind of like putting a computer together when i opened the package. mine has this flippy thing that says speedpad on it. it holds my homework pad so i can get to it in like a second when i want to do my homework. this year my mom bought me these 2 colum notebooks which are very cool because they only have about 25 pages each so when i am done i put them with my other handouts and homeworks and the whole bunch of stuff is always together when i have to study for a test. yikes, everybody has them and the only way we can tell them apart is how we color and decorate them. which i really like -the covers on our kit were just plain white and i use my sharpie on it and min is the coolest in the school. i was never even able to talk about how i organized before and now i really understand how to do it for myself. my teacher is using one this year and all of us wanted to help her to figure out how to use hers better. she has each of her classes separated so when she comes in what ever she takes out and gives us we put in the same place in our system so it takes 2 seconds to get going in class and no one ever comes to class without their DocOA.

 
At 9:36 PM, Blogger Kristen said...

This could be the biggest waste of money I have ever had my parents spend. The folders are ripping, falling out, to thin, and not holding my work. The rings are cheap and breaking which is a cause for my folders falling out. The notebooks are to small and being a student we all take a LOT of notes so right now i have about 3 notebooks each subject. The frames that are "supposively" supposed to keep the notebooks together are ripping so I have lost a notebook already. There is so much more to say that I haven't but bottom line is... TRUST ME DO NOT GET THIS SYSTEM!!!!!!!!!!

 
At 3:30 PM, Anonymous Sydni said...

I 100% agree with Kristen!!!!This was a BIG waist of money. I dont really like anything about this system. Not to be rude but you guys want the oppionion of a student i'll give it to you! First of, my pencil pouch ripped the first week i got it so I lost alot of my things. All of my folder are ripping and the notebooks are waaaayyy to small. in reality we need a 3 subject notebook for math and some other subjects and with the binder system im on my third notebook for some of the subjects. This is just the beginning..the rings are the same as any other bider, nothing is special about them. i would actually prefer another binder and its rings. Some of the rings are to hard to open because of that yellow thing( the yellow thing is suppose to stay on the part of the ring that opens and it doesnt so there isnt even a point to them!) but on others they always came apart and i would loose papars because my folder would come out!Oh and another thing they say that you can flip the binder to whatever folder you need because of the rings but i couldnt because they would get all twisted and the yellow things would get caught on the folders...that made me wanna yell at someone oor somethin. this binder system had caused me alot of problems and i spent the 30 dollors so my life would be easier, not so i would get a ZERO on a homework because it fell out of my folder!! also i think there are alot of extra folders..i think we need 1 homework folder for all of the subjects and mabe 2 folders for the other subjects. this is my oppinion and im sure i speek for alot of other students when i say that this system was a very BIG WAST OF ANY PARENTS MONEY!!! and also poorly made. paper isnt a good choice of meterial..mabe those plastc folders or something.
I think we should get our money back!!
im right next to kristen when she sais trust me you DO NOT WANT TO GET THIS BINDER!!!!!!!!!!

ps.
i now have my own binder and i am 1000 tomes more organized!!!!!!!!!!!

 
At 4:35 PM, Anonymous bobbie said...

i got the system and it came with 5 24 page notebooks. i use those for journaling in my literacy class. math asked us to put our notes in a 100pp spiral that i carry along with my docoa. about two weeks into the term, one of my teachers showed me how to arhive. how to take out my papers. my binder is the lightest one in the school and nothing is tearing now. trust me this was an idea i just didnt understand until i put my papers in the archive binders that came with the kit. maybe you didnt get the archives from your teacher. they go home and my mom helps me take papers out and keep them safe for studying. all my papers stay together so i have my tests and quizzes homeworks and my notes in one place. one of my friends put all their pockets into a 2 inch binder and another one put them into a 3 inch binder. that tore the papers to pieces and caused the pockets to rip. the instructions say put in any one and a half inch D type ring-which one of my other friends did-its one from staples -and he is really happy with that binder and the docoa. i still like the book rings. one of them broke and i got a replacement ring and all is working good. my binder is lighter than my friends -we weighed theirs one said caseit on it -that one had the 2 inch rings and i have to tell you it weighed 4 lbs alone. its the one which had the broken rings that tore all the pockets. stacy dropped her caseit the first day of school and the rings got out of line and tore everything.

 
At 6:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i agree with kristen and sydni.the docoa is a huge waste of money!!!!!my friend told me that he saw all the suff from the docoa at staples for about $10.my pencil pouch ripped BEFORE i started making the docoa.so now i have to pick up my pen or pencil every 10 seconds.my rings always come apart and one time i almost lost half my binder.and the folders are to small.all of my papers are ripped because they can barely fit in the pockets.and then the notebooks they give you have about 10 pages in them.i mean, middle schoolers take a ton of notes, so by the end of the year wel have at least 50 noteboks in our bnder!!i always dropp it because thier is no handl to carry it with.all of my papers fall out because their nothin to keep them in.im a million times less organized with this system.i never have any idea wats for homework cuz im to lazy to take out the hom wrk from preveous days.if my teachers didnt post the homwrk on our webpage, id have detention every day.i mean...paper folders?what the heck!paper rips, crumbles,and folds to easily.use leather or somthin.this binder sucks.i mean, i could make a better binder with my feet and some cardboard.

 
At 8:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What can i say?.... oh ya AWFUL!!! I can't stand this system i hate it with burning passion!!! I dont have my homework all the time because it keeps falling out, im down to one ring because the other two broke, and the notebook are the thinnest things so i have about 40 of them in my binder. I will do an experiment lets see if i can get something like this at walmart and I bet anything it wont be more than 15$. I mean my parents paid 35 dollars for this worthless system!!!! This man scamed us all. I thought this would organize me but it did the COMPLETE opposite!!!! If you are a principal looking for a way to organize your students I would get off of this site right now!! I mean seriously its paper and cardboard nothing my dog couldnt make!!!!

 
At 8:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

this binder is terrible they rip. O don't understand the eco friendly part ur going to waste it all in 3 months. Those frickin notebooks are tiny like 20 pages.All my papers are folded on the edge and such

 
At 6:06 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a principal at a school that purchased Docoa and i got the principals edition. this program is designed to allow us to use the same folder system with our teachers as we use with our students. i can honestly say this is the first time that my teachers are actually consistently organized with the delivery of their curriculum. before, they were all organized in their own way. and they are all experts at organizing so i never had a problem with the process. But this year, with organize360 when i go into a classroom, its easy to see what they are teaching that day and which standards they are teaching too. the teaching team is breaking out the materials using the model organize360 has advanced. and this is encouraging our teachers to break their work into more digestible units so that the students can pull their work from the binders. it makes them think differently which is actually a good thing for the delivery. Parents finally see what the papers are for a unit. before everything was in one 3' binder for the students with colored dividers and papers were like a needle in a haystack. if things ever went in, and most of the time the students resisted, they ripped and tore out and were lost forever. we decided to configure our student products using the bulk cartons of pockets and recommended 1 1/2' Dring binders . we recommended the avery view binders for the students. we got a notebook for them for math with 100pp. overall they are carrying 1/2 of what they were carrying before and its only the stuff they are working on. We did not get the covers and pencil holders and parents were told to get pencil holders and they had to get their own binders. some paremnts spent more than others on the binder. the teachers dont need any binders because the teacher edition came with 1 inch rings for each class. they are the ones that are steel rings and cost about 10 cents each. they work fine for the teachers and the teachers have a complete pocket set for each subject. Nothing is tearing for the teachers nothing at all. they know how to archive their stuff already so its really working. the issue i see is teaching them how to help the students archive, but that is exactly what we want. that is the life long experience that this system teachers. as a principal, this is the only system i would ever recommend. i dont know why i never saw this before. i knew there were binderbuddy pockets in the stores and students had them last year. i found out this is the first year that the company is providing the teacher edition and this is the first year they are working directly with schools. without doubt, each school needs to get their teachers trained then the teachers need to decide on the best configuration for their grade because they are really the experts. this system gives us more and better choices than any other system we have ever seen. no student has to carry more than 12 pages per unit of work and never do they have more notebooks in their folders than 2 since they exit on the archiving step. this system streamlines both my teachers and my students. highly recommended. we took this on using the knowthing challenge and students have role as notebook doctors. we bought some replacement pieces. stuff tears and breaks. students are responsible for policing the system and keeping it working. they get an effort grade for that. we are really happy.

 
At 6:22 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i am a notebook doctor at my school. its a great job because i have a master list of all the homeworks that are supposed to be in the homework returned pocket. i check that against the list at random and students get a grade on an effort sheet. next month there will be another notebook doctor. we used the planner that came with the docoa. its called caloa. i didnt like the name at first and then realized that it sounds like doc away and cal away which is really cool. the teachers call it the organizing assistant i guess thats what the o and a stand for. anyway, with the calendar, it was free. we down loaded the yearly dated forms from the student lounge and printed them off in our print shop. then all the students got 15 pages of calender sheets for the term. this is all one page. at first no one thougt it would work. but once we put it in, it made a two page view of homework for the week and we were all like wow this is the bomb. it was free. yeh we had to print the pages ourselves. we just put them in 10 cent report covers. my calendar weighs less than 6 ounces and we have a contest on whose docoa's weigh less. we all put in on the contest and we weigh each two weeks. the winner is the one with the lightest binder at the end of the term. we have to do some basic math and record keeping, but this system is designed to teach us how to do that. i'm sure i am putting things away faster too and finding them even faster. they make us take a ratio of the time it takes me to put stuff in and then how long it takes me to find it. we did that ratio on the board in math and most of the kids had ratios of greater than one. think about that. i had to put some duck tape on a couple of my pockets but what the heck. i am really happy because i am finally organizied. and i can explain how i am organized to my parents so they are staying off my back. i never loose my homework and i never have to look for any of my papers when its time to study for a test. my grades are finally going up. yeh. its working.

 
At 11:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

well, the doc-oa ... it sucks!!!!! probably the number 1 thing in my life that i want to destroy. how do i put this gently, lets start with the rings they r like the cheapest thing this guy who designed it could find. the stupid thing is the most unorganized system I've ever had. im not very organized to start but i have lost more homework this year then ever in my life. i was a strait A student untill this docoa came into my life. Now my grades have dropped to Cs because I dont have my work. also the planner is just sheets of paper with boxes on them. they just fall out before you get home. alot of use that is. Now don't get me wrong the doc-oa has some great uses to it to, for instance... say ur umm i dont know.. having a bonfire and roasting marshmallows and ur running low on fire wood, well the doc-oa is 100% flammable and makes great tinder. Its better than gasoline!! And say ur walkin through town with ur handy dandy doc-oa and some guys robbing a bank. Wipp out that spiffy doc-oa and throw it at them and guess what with all that crap in there he'll b unconcious!!!! Then u'll b the town hero! And also every time a school orders a doc-oa they can cut down a whole rainforest YAY!!! "who cares about the environment anyways its not like theres global warming or anything. Let me tell u about the doc-oa binder class. well its real swell, tuns of fun. NOT!!!!!!!!! if school orders this and your vice principal calls u and asks if you can come. say no. they tell u the class is an hour but its 2. it actually only takes 15 minutes to put together, but the guy talks about how great he thinks the system is. next i will question the inventors character. so at my school we had a small meeting to discuss the issues with the system. When students had the smallest issue to tell him he got so defensive and angry rather than considerate. He came off so rude and eragant saying that all our problems were our fault when it was not. i mean yeah a 2 month warrenty whopdie-do. Someone suggested which i agree with a full refund. The guy said no way on earth that was ever going to happen. well that about raps it . dont worry ill be back with more.

 
At 11:02 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey im back and I forgot to say that 90% of these positive comments are from the inventor himself. Just puttin it out there in case u wanted to know bibi

 
At 6:59 AM, Anonymous david said...

as the inventor that you refer to, i see your comments and understand you are clearly not a happy camper. just to set a couple of things straight on the binder design. we provide the book rings because of their low cost. many schools cant afford to provide a binder to their students that costs $8-18 dollars before you put anything in, so we provide the book ring with the bundled package so we can have an entire class make them all at once for about 36 cents per student. The plastic covers we offer are not ecofriendly but we have them in an upgrade package. most schools choose to go with just the pocket edition. a complete 5 subject pocket set is 12.95/student. again we designed this pricing for less advantaged students but find this is the price most parents expect to pay for pockets. Alot of the users opt for pocket only and put their own binder into play. for years, we supplied binders and had to take them back because they broke and when the rings split they tore all our components out. So we have adapted to this in the interest of providing the best organizing framework. What happens to homeworks is up to every student, but they are meant to be put in the homework due pocket. when they are reviewed and done, they go in the homework returned pocket. when the unit is over they go in the archive. you need to make sure you have an archive for finished works. The knowthing challenge is a term long project in which you act as an organizing engineer to keep the quality of your binder and learning experience on track to continuous improvement. In attending meetings at schools i have been very active in getting feedback and continuing to learn from all the students using our products. this is always a very constructive session. i have not had one negative emotional experience although feedback can target issues, this is always a positive process. Attendees usually get some of our new products to try whether its new forms of stickers, new pad holders, new study guide holders or other related tools we think students can benefit from. With all the positive comments we have had which are posted on the website and categorized in the book on this-the one i wrote called "growing smarter-the intelligence of being organized" you can certainly see we have had a real impact on getting students to discover the properties of becoming self organized. Many times when we hear that students have been very organized it has to do with the skills of one great teacher that structures the work flow like a great science teacher who has the students keep a really great science notebook or a great social studies teacher that keeps all the work in the class in tidy bundles. the whole purpose of the docoa and the know thing challenge is to transfer the responsibility of the portfolio to each student along with knowledge of the underlying model for separating the process of learning from the data and information used to learn along with trying to assess their ability to articulate that model. our assessments show we can shift a class that has less than 25% confidence in their organizing skills to over 70% confidence in their organizing skills. we think thats pretty cool and we hope we can inspire every young student from 6th grade to 12th grade to become better organized. no one said it was going to be easy or that there is a perfect solution. this is why most schools set up a replacement program for things that wear or tear and have students called notebook doctors get involved in helping keep things working. when the system remains in tact it gets very good results. but like anything if you can you will. we can see that there are opportunities to do a better job with student organizing and will continue to strive to find ways to allow the students to make the discoveries they need to become more successful. our new teacher edition is designed to allow that role to be a dual role between teacher and student. we expect to see that part of the model amplify these positive outcomes many students have experienced even further. the school results at the grade level documented on the FAY school had a 4.67 net positive grade point swing and a 67% reduction in classroom disruptions. overall and its summarized in the book i mentioned. these are just things that we saw happen and have documented for others to evaluate. not everyone likes the redsox and they can get pretty nasty about it even fight about it. if you dont like the redsox root for another team. smears and nasty campaigns are not what people really want in their lives as we know constructive dialogue usually results in improving outcomes. consumer products are hard work. we love the work because in this case its about improving education. cool.

 
At 1:02 PM, Anonymous david said...

more on the packaging from the CEO and inventor of docoa-why kits that are shrink packed and include the rings and covers cost 24.95 vs the 12.95 for the loose packed pockets without rings and covers: our program provides cover sets, pocket sets, rings and pencil cases all boxed out in packages of 10 along with assembly instructions. this allows a pallate of goods to arrive at a school, not unlike premier agendas, and be quickly split out by part and distributed into the classroom for assembly. This is not a perfect process and we are continuing to work on this as a process improvement. that said, the box labels permit quick distribution and the actual assembly takes bout 15-30 minutes in the classroom. if the calendars are made the assembly can take 45-50 minutes for the total system. What we have done here is provide a solution that minimizes the time and frustration of shopping at the shelf for supplies while providing the novel and nested two level color coding system with rings, covers, homework pad and note pads for 5 or 6 classes depending on the configuration selected. many parents complain about the cost of time to shop and the fact that every teacher often has a separate list and so forth. we have been told that some parents have spent upwards of $200 on supplies and some have quoted $300.00 including 6 separate binders that cant be carried at one time. They have indicated that they have had to shop two and three times consuming well over 4 hours of their time. if you do a simple billing rate of $100/hour thats another $400.00 of cost associated including the out of pocket and opportunity cost of that way of doing the school supply selection. So when you look at the process innovation in our docoa direct to school program that involves the packaging(no frills black and white now to save parents cost), boxing, shipping, pack out for separation (eg 10 box 30) its not surprising many principals, teachers and parents are thanking us for doing this. as far as we know we are the only company in the country offering a turn key binder organizing solution for k4-12 all inclusive. we do recommend schools order 10% extra for loss use etc and that may be adjusted based on our experience. that cost should be included in the prices charged out by any school using the system. when the system is maintained in good working order, just like any tool or appliance, you can enjoy the benefits it offers. if its broken like the wheel on a shopping cart that is wobbly, you discard it and get another shopping cart, you dont invent and make a new shopping cart. things will break but we have taken alot of care to make a system that will work long term when maintained. like oiling the wheels on the shopping cart the system has to be maintained to keep it working. its in the knowthing challenge. we made a conscious choice to design this system here in the USA and to have it made here in the USA. it is made in a converter factory with american employees at a cost less than if we had to import from abroad. if it was in plastic, it would cost 2-3x what this system cost and we would have to add a surcharge for transportation based on the import charges. using petroleum based products like plastic is not in our game plan for the entire system. we do offer a poly plastic cover set and our speed pad is in plastic due to the need for a living hinge. we get both of those parts from USA companies although one of them is imported from china. i think sharing the challenge of offering a turnkey solution to the paper chase is worth doing in the hopes of constructively sharing what is part of the solution we offer and the price points we have been able to achieve. and the complements we get on the fairness of our pricing are encouragement to us that we are hitting the mark with our intended customers.

 
At 2:45 PM, Anonymous Sarah said...

I have nothing nice to say sbout this binder system. The rings on my have fallen apart and no one at my school likes it. The worst part is that we have to pay for the replacments. And they coast about $13. The folders are really chep because they fell apart so simply. Most of the comments that have been left are bad ones. And to all of those have to say,I agree with you 100%.

 
At 9:57 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pretty much my parents think this is the worst organizer ever. They would have posted a comment, but i was so angry at how bad this piece of crap looked, so i did it for them. Id rather just carry my papers around then use this piece of garbage. How could the guy that made this think it will be useful. What an idiot!!!!!!!!!!!! This guys a moron. I don't even know why i volunteered to put this together trash together. First of all, the guys a creep, he knew the words to every part of his stupid pointless slideshow. Who spends that much time making a corny slideshow that no ones gonna pay attention to. Make sure you get rid of this as soon as possible, anything throw in the fire, garbage truck, blow it up or even throw it in the woodchip shredder. In conclusion, I hate this thing get rid of it.

 
At 11:25 AM, Anonymous david said...

I am responding to anonymous in this previous posting. the nature of your comments are off color but that said, you need to consider the options for getting organized that have been available to you before. if your teachers did it for you last year, held all your papers, structured the work flow with inclass archiving, and so forth, then clearly this idea of handling all your own papers now is more of a rude awakening than it may be for others. nonetheless, being able to keep any physical product working is always a challenge. if your parents did not have a garage to take their car, it would go into disrepair and then one day, it wouldnt start, and their disposition to their car would flip instantly-how terrible the car is etc. every school we work with we make sure there is a replacement policy and a room dedicated to the notebook doctor and repair shop or garage if you will. students staff it on a volunteer basis and everyone who takes the knowthing challenge understands that they have to keep their binder working. if the papers are not archived, the paper pockets will tear. you most likely will need a 100pp spiral notebook for any class your teacher expects you to carry notes for the whole term. math is typical of this. if you try to use the 2 column notebooks for this it may not be practical. the 2 column notebooks are primarily for journaling. also, if one of your teachers is not using the text book for your class, then i expect you will need a 5/8" or 1" binder for that class for all the handouts that are 4 hole punched. if this is the case, try to use one of these extra binders for ALL the bulky handouts you get and just separate them by tabs. when its time to archive, archive these handouts with your other papers. the DocOA is for keeping track of your current CREATED WORKS including homeworks and tests and study guides and related handouts and reference sheets. Any student that uses the DocOA for this purpose has told us it works great, they dont loose their papers any more, they can put stuff in and get it out in 2 seconds or less and class disruptions are reduced as a result. many schools have opted for our 12.95 or 19.95 pocket only paks allowing students to use their own binders. i imagine you are not happy having a paperboard binder with book rings. as many schools find this to be a leveling experience, like a "school uniform" it takes the "fashion" piece of the binder away. the only way to deal with this is to decorate decorate decorate. that my not be enough to satisfiy the needs many students have for additional binder features like extra pockets and zippers and colors and stiching, so i encourage you to get the replacements you need, switch your binder rings to a standard binder, and try to understand the true role for each of the pockets. keeping your pockets in good repair is the only way to keep the system working.archive, archive archive and keep a balance with your workflow. try to articuilate what you are doing in combination with docoa and see how your new found organizing strateegies are actually an improvement over what you were doing before. it may be hard. you sound totally too angry. i suspect you can if you will. but that said, i truly hope you find these suggestions helpful as we seek improved student learning and improved organizing literacy with any user of DocOA. try the game on the website. have your parents try the simulator so they can actually see how the system is supposed to work. one of the keys to its success is that all papers are transparent and readily found by everyone including parents. this typically is the single greatest benefit parents identify with the system when used as designed. instead of the binder being a black hole where stuff is hopelessly mislocated. The website codes are available at your school if you have not gotten them, you should. the down loads for the tracking forms may also help you to stay focused on the organizing process. if you are receiving an effort grade at your school and if the papers are being archived on proper signals from your teachers, you should find that your car starts and maybe you can rebuild a constructive working relationship with DocOA. if you cant, do your thing for sure. i would like to hear from you in your blog how you changed things for the better and why. that would be far more constructive. good luck. this message was not scripted but is intended as a caring response and guide to you. David

 
At 8:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK where should i start? i dont even have the docoa and i can still see how much of a waste of money it is. every time i see it it makes me shiver. i have nightmares about the docoa every night and it will not stop haunting me. im pretty sure every single person in my school hates their docoa. all it is is a buch of pieces of paper stacked on top of each other. i could make one myself if i wanted to. but i dont. who would pay $35 for something that falls apart after about one week when you can just go down to staples get one that actually works and you can find your stuff for $10. you cant find anything because theres 3 sections for every class and 2 specials. so there is 18 different places where a sheet ur looking for can be. or you can get a normal binder and just have one folder for each subject so u can actually find somethin. then theres the notebooks. they only have like 10 pages in them. in some classes we use up 2 pages a day and they get used up every week. possible ways to get rid of your docoa include:
1. rip it up and give it to your dog as a chew toy
2. take it along with a shovel 15 miles into the woods and bury it deep into the ground
3. if there is a sewer drain near your house, then shove it down there
4. if you have a paper shreder, then take out each individual piece of paper and watch it be cut into tiny pieces.
5. have a bonfire with your friends. throw it into the fire.
6. put it in your washing machine for at least 4 hours and it should be ruined
7. take it and throw it into a pond or river
8. place it in your oven and set the temperature to 425 degrees and cook it. it might start a fire and burn down your house but its worth it!!!
9. use it as a football if you play a little game with your friends. make sure you punt it instead of throwing it off.
10. get it wet then put it in your freezer for 12 hours.
11. throw it onto a busy street. check on it after 4 hour and see how it looks
12. sell it on ebay. but it should take several months for someone to actually buy it
13. if you like paintball, draw a target on the back of it with red marker and practice with it
14. if you like hockey, paint it black and practice slapshots with it since it is much heavier than a puck
15. if u like playing wiffle ball and need another base, it would be perfect
16. have a party with fire works and blow it up

anyway as i was sayin the docoa is a waste of $. im tired of teachers saying "put this in ur hot sheets" or "homework to be done". a regular binder with folders would work fine. now after i said all that crap about the docoa, lets look at the posotives...o wait-there are none!!!!!!!!!! i highly recommend not getting this system. if the inventor or someone sees this comment dont get mad im only expressing my opinion that it needs to be improved.

 
At 9:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love this new binder system..... NOT it was a waste of $ most of my friend have it an say it is horrible. The pollite way of saying this is that it is very flammeble. we tested it with parental supervision obcourse.... NOT but on the bright side it can keep you very warm when you burn it. it is equivelent to 12 sheets of paper w/ crap rings

 
At 2:55 AM, Anonymous david said...

the fundamental idea of stacking pockets using the two level color coding of pocket set within pocket set mirrors how computer filing systems work on your laptop or desktop. its called a network level hierarchy where directories and subdirectories proviide a naming schema in which files are supposed to be put and gotten from. what we find interesting in our research and work with not only students, but with teachers and parents as well, is that they dont set up a coherent filing framework but rather let stuff lay on their desk top in piles. this progressive accrual of piles of stuff is a systemic issue and it results in things like the following happening...one of my friends told me he was looking for a file and he did a search and got 1000 hits on his own desk top. What am i talking about here? if you pile papers onto the rings of a binder, at some point, and very quickly, your binder starts to look like that littered desktop i just described on the computer. right? ok-if you see where i am going with this, when you have rings, the papers have to be three hole punched. further, you have to open and close the rings every time you want to put something away...so in most cases, and i am not saying you do this...the users simply dont put the papers where they go. oh sure, at first they do. but the tedious nature of the putting and getting, extending to well over 3-4 maybe even up to 10 seconds or more(its really more like minutes) prevents them from continuing with the ring filing. So then stuff is literally stuffed anywhere and never really organized-never to be found again when it is really needed. Sure you dont do this, but this is what happens to many many many students. what happens next is the rings of the binder break or the binder opens and stuff falls out. There are good ring binders and i would prefer to see our system used with one of those if the true benefit of our simple book rings is lost in the fray. we provide dumb simple book rings for one reason. we dont expect them to be opened and closed...ever. the idea of the multi color coded pockets is to have a uniform framework that is SUBJECT INDEPENDENT for work due, tests returned, homework returned, hot sheets, reference sheets, and study guides...notice i didnt say what subject that is for. so the epiphany most students have early into the organizing formalism is "oh... wow...this works exactly the same way for each of my subjects, so i can do this without thinking..." now the little sliding locks are on our rings and in the end, we recommend to students that arrive at a comfortable pocket structure, to heat seal them so that they never open again. think about that strategy and see if you can find a way to blow out the other end of your frustration and see what you can learn about organizing from this model. in the end, we want you to reject it and do something that really works for you long term. many students stick with our tools and modularize with separate folder sets. others end up back in piles of papers, but for them its cool because they know exactly how the piles are formed and where stuff goes. we hope we can have this end game impact on all of our users. when the teachers understand how the system works, much like the ones it sounds like you are working with, they can guide the student and help them through this first set of hurdles toward a unit level archive. the comfort and satisfaction we hear from student parents and teachers that actually do the archiving step using our formulation is that at test time, everyrthing is there to study. so the end stress levels are totally reduced to nil because at the front end, they accepted the need to change and adapted to the docoa framework. some people get set in their ways and wont adapt. we find that the older students are more set in their ways. at some point they come back around when the demands overwhelm them and their quick tricks break down. that said, docoa is not for everyone. also, just to clarify, the 33 dollars included 6 heavy duty stasher ring cards with 12 rings, a binder with interfolded pressboard front and back pocket covers, a 50pp homework pad, 18 pockets comprising 36 "slots" for different types of papers, two preprinted color coded sticker sheets, and a pencil bag along with 3 locking book rings. Docoa is a novel system with other pieces like the pop out pad holder and the computer simulator and the gaming software. These all come with the kits when a school acquires the tools. if an an equivalent system of stationery goods with this many elements purchased at retail would cost over $60 but it would at best be a loosely batched bunch of pockets without the color labeling and nesting framework of the docoa. So sure, make the comparable system. many parents and teachers have done this over the years. it has taken them hours of hair pulling frustration. so like the master card commercial, a docoa as configured and described with everything mentioned is about $33 but in the end the experience of being organized once and forall without having to shop at walmart, priceless. good luck with your alternative strategy. report back on how you finally reorganized and tell us how its working for you. that would be a really cool way for you to deploy. i am the inventor and no i'm not angry as we love to have students that can articulate what it means to be truly organized. love to see your list some time. again, consider sharing it.

 
At 2:40 PM, Anonymous Julio said...

listen DAVID. we know you want to sell your doc thing to people but stop puting advertisments in to your responses. You right an essay every time and all u talk about is prices. face it its not a good system. 1 more thing, stop using really old expressions from the time of the dinosaurs

 
At 3:54 PM, Anonymous ben said...

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this makes as much sense as the docoa to me

 
At 4:04 PM, Anonymous Karen said...

the docoa......... natures worst enemy. david the inventor even said it was not ecofriendly. He said "The plastic covers we offer are not ecofriendly". i cry all night because i got my child this system. u might as well go cut down the amazon rain forest. you should be ashamed of how much paper you are throwing away. i love trees.
trees trees trees
trees trees trees
the trees by rush
trees are my life.
im tryin to create a better environment for my childen.

 
At 8:20 AM, Anonymous david said...

your comments are always appreciated. your experiences are invaluable to us and help us to better understand what customers, really discerning customers, are looking for. we only offer plascic covers as an upgrade. our core system for 12.95 is just pockets and handles 5 subjects. these are just pockets for holding papers using the label system which allows for up to 6 categories of loose created papers to be "trapped" as part of a unit and accessed in 2 seconds. the framework supports a very well established labeling model that is replicated in many other systems that try to solve this same problem, such as the master notebook system. in systems like master notebook, you would no doubt have many of the same arguments you have made in your prior comments, but you could add to them having to carry 5 to 7 binders, having papers that tear off the rings and rings that break and fall apart in 3 weeks. in one school we installed that had over 250 students, they had collected over 130 objections from the year before, all related to the unweildly binder and paper handling model which reflected chaos in so far as every teacher had provided unique supply check list requirements and parents had spent 250 or more to meet them. paper is paper and unfortunately it is not going away. our notebooks with 24 pp are designed to minimize the amount of paper any student would have to carry at any one time. for example, with 12 leaves each(double side ruled) with 6 subjects, a student having 6 100pp spirals would have to carry 600 pages-i encourage you to weigh that. with our system the student would carry 48 pages total at any instant. sure they would have to archive one of the notebooks when done-but think about that-why carry it if the unit is over and the notes can be referenced in the background on the desktop at home or pulled from a file in the classroom. in addition, our calendar is a 15 page two week at a view home work by subject record form that can be put in a 10 cent report cover. here again, as far as paper is concerned we allow you to add a two week view with just one(1) double sided form-this is a great innovation that reduces the amount of paper printed and used and carried and delivers a calendar for under 1.50 cents per student. this is a key factor in allowing student in less fortunate school settings to have the same tools as the more economically balanced urban settings. in the end, we want all students on the computer. i am a computer scientist and taught computer science at MIT some years back-my thesis was on the architecture of filing and organizing on the computer-something we called demand paging back then. the principal was simple-make it possible to put into memory just what a program needed because memory was 64k and it cost $8k dollars...when you think about computers today, with 1Gb of memory or more for under $259/GB EVERYTHING IS IN MEMORY, but cool as computers are with search-everyone thinks finding a naming and filing taxonomy is for the dinasours. well, wth 2 1/2 dimensions in a binder with paper, there is no search. n-dimensional computers can index everything in memory. so to wrap up this portion of my thesis i would only suggest considering what the know thing challenge is asking you and your students to try to do-file and organize only what you need to carry and name the paper categories so they can be found with out search. many students i observe look like maytag washers in the wash/spin cycle when asked to find one piece of paper. back and forth searching. we know we have solved this problem for students who seek to find the underlying principles behind the 18 years of development and engineering that have gone into producing the docoa. you have lots of choices in how to organize and lots of materials to choose from. our strategy in the end game is to move all students into the digital world with a filing and organizing strategy that really works for them. in the mean time, with paper not going away, we seek to provide a system that minimizes how much paper students and teachers actually use and how much of that paper they have to carry at any one time while increasing the performance of the ratio of these two critical numbers: divide the time it takes to put something into the binder by the time it takes to find it. we seek to establish an average performance where that ratio is 1(one) or more. test that with your system and include numbers on the average weight of the binder at steady state. i hope your alternative produces improved outcomes because we have been working on finding a solution to this problem in paper for over 18 years. i would welcome your constructive comments on the design and improvements you would make to docoa or to other systems that purport to solve this problem. in all sincerity the opportunity to improve learning is clearly in the cross hairs of this very challenging application. we make and market docoas for students and their parents who care about and want an alternative solution to the paper chase and seek ways to do that with green products designed and made here in the usa. we did not ship this job overseas like many other companies have and we are competing on price points that meet or are lower than imported plastic products from off shore. so sure, we can keep trying to improve what we are doing but the only way we can do that is when we have common understanding. my effort to share these points is toward that end and i hope this has enabled you to make better choices going forward. good luck to you in your pursuit of improved organizing for improved learning. we both share the same goals and vision.

 
At 11:45 AM, Anonymous julio said...

once again david try to make your comments shorter so it does not take a year to read them. your planner does not save paper and its just a waste of valuable trees like Karen said. the rings rip through all the papers in you stupid Docoa. I put in a lab report and the next day the rings already ripped through them. Anyways about your comments just get the point across, stoop talking about your life with different organizing systems.

 
At 1:38 PM, Anonymous david said...

Color coding is one of the major advantages docoa offers. what you will find with our color coding model is two levels of color coding. once you experience that separation of work using the docoa model you have learned the key skill we want you to learn. After you have been successful in filing and finding your papers using the docoa model, much like riding a bike, you can ride any bike and maybe even design your own. sounds like you have found a way to do that now and you are to be congratulated. compare your new model to what you did last year and see if you can articulate what is different-how you have changed your filing strategies. I hope you are very successful with your new knowlege and we wish you everything good. again, good luck to you in your pursuit of your education and career and remember to archive archive archive. i would still encourage you to adapt our labeling system for your new version and even consider mixing in some of our components like the document holder pocket for example. the tri pocket would still be a better divider for each of your subjects as it holds 3 pockets and provides a flat writing surface for the papers preceeding it in each seciton. it also has an inverted form so when you open it, the papers it holds are on the left allowing you to see everything on the right, like your notes. we call this parallel visualization. These design features are unique to docoa and provide the catalyst to executive function processing that leads to more success than with other systems. That said, and as i said, once you have experienced the docoa, you can apply some of these ideas going forward, and i sincerely hope you will improve on our tools and methods to your advantage. We do know that teachers have been able to integrate the strategies into their curriculum deliver models but many teachers have systems of their own that work quite well. docoa is not meant to be used in only one way. We hope teachers that have been trained in docoa and are already effective with their organizing can utilize our tri-file for example or our stasher pocket for handling paper flow on a class by class basis. file folders are really just piles and the structured flow that the docoa teacher edition pockets support have brought great improvements and satisfaction to many teachers, even some of the most organized. continued success and have fun getting and staying organized(with emphasis on staying-ok) good luck. david

 
At 7:28 PM, Anonymous jamarkus said...

hey david stop writing novels for every comment u leave and the whole thing is u advertising all the crappy features and new things ur workin on. ur not gonna persuade anyone to buy that piece of garbage so just give up already. and also plz stop using similes in every sentence like "much like riding a bike" and "your comments are off color" and "you are clearly not a happy camper" and "minimizes the time and frustration".

 
At 5:56 AM, Anonymous david said...

the challenge in organizing is that it is a totally age dependent, classroom overload dependent, peer pressure, family pressure, and socioeconomic dependent application space. It is known that 11 million students in the USA cant afford any school supplies. Docoa is engineered to provide the most economical organizing school supplies for acadamic paper handling and to offer insight into underlying technologies that link organizing to filing and handling information in a digital computer. those students that dont have stationery products for organizing are even less likely to have or gain access to computers. so docoa serves two key purposes in offering a hierarchical filing model with pop out windowing and back end archiving all in a single turn key solution. the part that makes docoa work for schools is the ease of use in distributing it to classrooms as it is packaged to be drop shipped and hand stacked in convenient preboxed quantities to the classroom. the packaging is designed to minimize cost so assembly can be done by the students as a learning experience. many of these students dont have parents to take them shopping for school supplies. aside from these elements, docoa is for everyone, including very organized peope-students, teachers, and parents-because it embodies a multi-level categorization model that links names to form and function of the pockets. each pocket is different and designed to support a filing algorithm such as the document pocket that does last in first out filing, and the tri-pocket that does input process and output filing as well as the twin pocket that does global reference access to hot sheets and reference sheets, with the access layered so that the inside of the cluster offers the most context rich bundle of information with the quickest access location. i am sure docoa is not for everyone. we know it works for corporate training departments and college students and we have shown it works for 3rd and 4th grade project based learning experiences. thats a pretty broad range but we are always looking for new ways to improve the system. you comments are welcome and i hope you can shed light on things you would like to see us put into docoa to make it better. good luck to you and enjoy your academic learning experience:)

 
At 4:31 PM, Anonymous triangleman said...

Hi i am a super hero and i fight the evils of the docoa every day. the docoa terifies the schools and i dont appreciate u selling them for $30 more than they are worth. and also david do not write a long essay about advertising in ur response like the other kids said

 
At 9:45 AM, Anonymous david said...

organizing is challenging. the tools we provide are designed to solve a very hard problem. maintaining any tool in working order is the key to getting its full benefits. the package you refer to included 7 binders, 36 color coded pockets, a calendar solution that allows students to make their own calendar for less than a 1.50 of their own printing costs, a digital simulator so both parents and students can self-train on line, along with a challenging symbolic game that includes a two level dynamic sorting system that most students find very challenging. try it and report back what level you can achieve. your school has the webcodes. this is not an advertisement but intended to truly inform you and any other friends of yours about what the tools and the technology can provide to open minds and willing hands. good luck -we here would love to see your alternative solution. please make sure you introduce yourself to me and show us when we visit your school.

 
At 11:50 AM, Anonymous george said...

i really dont like the docoa. it is a terrible binder. the notebooks are puny and rip a lot. good thing we've got people like triangleman to save us from this trecherous docoa.

 
At 12:51 PM, Anonymous www.bookwindows.com said...

george-you should have the popout pad with 50pp of college ruled paper. use this pad for your homework and works you have to hand in. if you dont like the cornell 24pp notebooks, restrict their use to literacy or for any class in which you have to do journal writing. having a small and contained notebook that fits into the docoa section where it is most often used will increase your effectiveness in journaling-it will always be with you and accessible in 2 seconds for that fast thought you want to record. then, i suggest you get a 100pp spiral notebook with just paper for any class where you must keep linear notes. you can get these for around 3.99 or less-but know you will be carrying a ton of extra blank paper with you for the term and holding notes that are from old units that you wont be able to archive. your other choice is to get an extra 1" binder, one of the really inexpensive ones with the poly covers -they are 1.99 or less. then put 100pp of blank paper in there and separate them using the color coded tabs you got with your docoa. that way you wont have to pay etra for a set of index dividers. take all your class notes in there. when the unit is over, pull all your papers from the docoa and put them in the archive binder you got with your docoa. you should have an archive binder for each of your 6 subjects. keep your docoa pockets working by going to the repair shop as needed -any paper pockets will eventually wear-your school should have a working garage staffed with notebook doctors to both consult with you on best uses and to help you make any minor repairs or replacements. ok? David

 
At 7:14 PM, Anonymous Mother of student using DocOA said...

My daughter's middle school decided to go the "DocOA" route this year. It sounded like a good idea so I paid my $32.50 for the package. When my daughter brought it home on the first day of school, I have to say I was somewhat dismayed - 3 binder rings holding a stack of folders and loose papers together - but I figured we'd wait and see. It's now 2 1/2 months later, and we just returned from a trip to Staples where I spent $19 to basically rebuild her DocOA system with "sturdier" materials. DocOA people, you owe me $19! My daughter is incredibly organized to begin with and takes very good care of her things, but the DocOA system was falling apart. She told me she could go the the "binder repair station" at school to fix her DocOA, but that all they do there is give you colored duct tape to tape your folders back together. If this had been my 15-year-old son (who is not so careful with his things) the DocOA system would have been shredded by October!

I agree with the reviews posted here. The "planner" or "agenda" portion of this sytem is simply a sheet of paper with boxes on it. The first week of school my daughter begged me to buy her a spiral-bound planner which she keeps in her DocOA. The DocOA "notebooks" are goofy 24-page sections of paper that fill quickly. When you try to store them in their "pocket" to store them once they are full, the pocket breaks easily. Oh, I know, go to "binder repair" for that special duct tape!

I can appreciate the idea behind the DocOA system, and I do agree that it will help those unorganized kids with an attempt at organization, but the durability issue really needs to be addressed. As mentioned before, we just returned from Staples with a hard-cover 3-ring binder and durable plastic folders. Is it too much to ask that the DocOA system would last more than 2 1/2 months?

 
At 7:08 PM, Anonymous will said...

hey david im trying to see if u actually check this blog. your binders bad it is terrible for staying organized. Oh, and for future references your responses are way to long b/c no one WANTS TO READ A NOVEL. stop advertising in your responses. Bye bye

 

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